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By: The Gurdjieff Con » Reactionary complots

The Gurdjieff Con » Reactionary complots — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:55:52 +0000

[...] deceptions. Here is an old post at Darwiniana, a very popular one with a large hit count. 07.09.06 Gurdjieff comment: a reply Posted in New Age at 8:07 pm by nemo Thanks for your comment. Before pontificating on esotericism, [...]

By: nemo

nemo — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:13:01 +0000

You’re right
Here’s a related post at http://www.gurdjieff-con.net

and a post relating to your question:
http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/?p=9

By: kirk crist

kirk crist — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:14:07 +0000

Gurdieff recomends something he calls intentional suffering. All you have to do is just read his books-they are the worse written tomes ever published, and you will get all of the intentional suffering you will ever want

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By: robert

robert — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:44:39 +0000

hi. nice blog . thanks.

By: nemo

nemo — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:17:35 +0000

Some good comments, I will reference this on top (June 2, 07)

By: sillykitty

sillykitty — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:15:34 +0000

for gordy…i think it is difficult for many idealistic people who have NOT come out the other side of the gurjieff mill–or any clap-trap cultish milieu–to understand what those of us are saying who HAVE come out that other end. (!)…many people have the discernment to steer clear from square one. (perhaps like james.) others, like myself, due to some inherent foolishness, or wishful thinking, or idealism, to put it more kindly, barge right in and hope to find the ‘meaning’ that these ‘brochures’ promise. i’m not sure exactly where gordy is coming from, (or if he is sincere)) but he sounds to me like the true believer i used to be. from that perspective there wasn’t much that was going to warn me away from the pie in the sky i felt was promised by the 4th way literature. and i was willing to ‘work’ hard and stick around long enough for real damage to be done. to this day (6 years away) i am putting the pieces back together and sorting out what was/is true, and what was/is not. i now feel very much in agreement with nemo’s criticism and very appreciative of his willingness to bash the sacred cow. there really is a smoke and mirrors game at work. what is presented to newbies, in every group i am aware of, is very different from what is going on inside…that magic carrot they lead you around the nose by leads to some very diabolical stuff. i did find myself in a snakepit and bound by some awful eternal-seeming contract i was sure i never signed up for but could not extricate myself from. the dangers of ‘cults’ are common knowledge. see http://www.rickross.com. the problem is that the uninitiated who float around the new-age sufi, buddhist, yoga, shamanism, et al. groups somehow believe that credentials, or antiquity of the teachings mean that there present-day purveyors are above all that.’ that they are as selfless as they proclaim themselves to be, or–that the rules don’t apply. the ends ‘awakening’ will justify the ‘means’–the torture and abuse these groups inflict. the baby (ego) can NOT be thrown away with the bathwater.
(awakening) and by trying to separate the two, by extreme and dishonest measures, causes very real and long lasting breakage. and the fact that broken people make very good slaves can not be overlooked. the warning can not be stated strongly enough.

By: nemo

nemo — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:27:21 +0000

good point

By: James

James — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:21:21 +0000

“The problem is that spiritual seekers are very vulnerable.”

I don’t really know what a “spiritual seeker” is, but the problem is that Westerners are conditioned to believe that perennial philosophy bullshit(all paths lead to the summit of the mountain). Look at the classical sutras; they never encouraged people to abandon their discernment and mindlessly accept anything that sounds “spiritual.” The “Becoming less mechanical and more aware” slogan is the same vague nonsense that takes in everybody in the New Age movement.

By: robert

robert — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:18:36 +0000

hi all. nice blog. its very ineresting article.