02.12.08
Note to SK: Sufi hyenas, poets beware
Comment from sillykitty: Welcome back, sillykitty. [This blog has had an extensive commentary on gurus, sufism, and the shadow side of the New Age period). The shadowy character of the guru phenomenon (to be sure in an age of decline) isn’t quite grasped by most New Agers (nor by the many anti-cult deprogrammers, et al.)
Sillykitty, it is interesting that you should show up on the day I discussed some sonneteering from long ago.
Nemo soliloquy.
At the time I was passing on the fringe of the sufi realm I was writing poetry. It doesn’t seem important now, but the combination taught me something unique about the deparavity of sufism in decline, and why poets, among others (!), should be wary of the pious front of these gurus and sheiks. In most cases, to be sure, so-called sufis wouldn’t have a clue, and it is a bit off to harangue such idiots. But the tradition of poetry in sufism is a mystery that, evidently, haunts the degenerates scrambling for the fragments of that medieval tradition hidden inside Islam.
One can hardly describe the horror of it, the sheer grotesqueness of trying to seize control of innocent poets of talent using shadow methods.
I won’t go into it particularly, except to hope we can shatter the mystique of this phenomenon in its dregs. Gurdjieff is the worst, but his imitators, well, enough for tonight.
Suffice it to say, sufism bit the dust a while back, and trying to kidnap poets to imitate the medieval tradition is a sad sign …dregs..
I could hardly say anymore, but would suggest never announcing you are a poet around sufis. Got it?
sillykitty said,
February 14, 2008 at 5:42 am
the meek shall inherit the earth, remember? yeah, i know you do. and i think you should write a big expose of nemo’s scary hidden (fringes?) sufi life. i know how vulnerable-making that must feel for you, but still. dam the torpedoes, as somebody really smart once said. and the best place to hide is in plain view. and come out of the closet as the deep mystic xtian i know you are. don’t you see you are playing a similar game, hedging your bets, casting shadows, and never showing your cards? the only way to beat that game, and the fear of it, is to become transparent. (all the will those gurdjieffians use can’t be right. look how well that turned out.) not to hide like you do behind your big fat brain.. whoo-hoo–listen to me telling you off. i’m sorry. i have no right, it’s not my place and please forgive me. i think i just wanted to say hi. i think the world of you. i don’t need to piss and moan any more about those ‘mean people.’ and any personal gripes. i am interested in how the world of faith might turn in a more constructive direction and it seems, as well as i can follow it, that that’s what this site is about. i love valentine’s day. you should write more poetry? and more pictures–please. tina turner said it best, ‘we don’t need another hero,’ but you are one of mine. what do you know about old saint valentine? i bet it was more about agape and less about whoopie. have a love-ly day. your friend, sk
sillykitty said,
February 14, 2008 at 6:06 am
confession: sometimes i still think you are one of them… masquerading.
sillykitty said,
February 14, 2008 at 6:20 am
if life is a chess game it can’t also be a conversation.
nemo said,
February 14, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Thanks for response: you have been silent for a while, incommunicado, leaving me to wonder. Perhaps you are suffering from paranoia, not surprising in this situation. And some anger, not surprising either. You seem to think I am part of ‘that gang’, but I should say that simple denial is enough, and vouching for myself with a few simple facts: I don’t exploit, erect fronts to deceive, or indulge in practices that hurt people, especially those with innocent faith in a spiritual life.
Actually, I am not describably some kind of crypot-mystic: the distinctions don’t mean anything to me anymore. My stance toward that came out a while back in the discussion/posts on ‘fourth ways’ (in the context of the falseness of such jargon).
Look, I have made myself clear as a defender of modernity, a critic of New Age gurus, and something of a leftist sympathizer (and critic). I can assure that Buddhist, gurus, sufis dislike me because I will expose their game on the spot, given the opportunity.
Meanwhile, I accept your criticisms (maybe): I make no pretensions to be a ’spiritual leader’ (spare me!) of any kind.
Your ambivalence springs from meeting someone who knows more about sufism than most ’sufis’, and yet one who rejects all of that. It is a seemingly difficult puzzle, but it is not.
We are moving beyond all that into something new and different, and it is not clear yet what it is.
Enough for the moment