03.21.08
What happened to SK and James?
SK: idea for a meditation retreat:
James and SK: I seem to have lost you. SK kept asking for some bio for ‘nemo’, but as I noted you ‘run away screaming’ after one tidbit. That’s OK. you can go mad when you find out about those people.
So meditation retreat cancelled! Sorry. Stick to the real McCoy.
The point I was hinting at is that this was the period when I was travelling through Sufi Hyena Land, with that gold character on my radar, which left me knocked senseless for several years and I simply roamed the country solo.
Actually, as I have learned that is a genuine path or outcome in some sufi circles, you hear of it top level brushed over in references to the ‘fakir’.
But I abjure all that. After the Hyaenas there’s no more talk of the ‘path’. Those cannibals want to operate on their victims in secret.
My point here is to attempt to develop my warning about what’s going on here, as indicated last summer: people like e.j. gold suddenly became exposed to my view in what they were doing. Get people on the premises of a ’school’, generate ‘conversion/consent’, send them packing without their realizing it, then operate on isolated individuals with no provable contact with the source, or any contact with the later wave of disciples. That person is defenseless, and if he goes mad noone will have the connection. You blame the victim who blows the whistle and call him crazy.
So, I can only sound the warning a few decades too late. Those involved should stop being thumbsucking apologists for their holy harry guru and keep records on who is involved in these operations and their subsequent fate.
It comes as a shock to realize ’spiritual’ teachers can be corrupt hoodlums.
James said,
March 30, 2008 at 11:13 pm
No, I didn’t run away screaming. I’m probably going to be following in your footsteps soon. Maybe you can give me some survival tips.
sillykitty said,
April 2, 2008 at 10:41 pm
i’m sorry it has taken me so long to find this thread.
i am so interested in your personal details nemo, because there are few case histories i can compare my experience to and i imagine (funny word) that the experiences of other people, to simillar events, would help me ground my reactions in some kind of reality–or not reality as the case may be.
i.e. okay, right here, at point x, i went off the rails completely, and nothing external was being done ‘to me’ any more, but was instead being done to me BY me in my own morass of insanity.
confusion over where this point of departure exists (probably not JUST ONE point anyway) kept me from speaking out for many years. because it seemed ‘reasonable’ that it had ALL been in my head–as ej and co encouraged me to believe.
how could i ever explain it to anyone? and if i couldn’t explain it so anyone could understand it–then how could it be true?
but once the psych drugs began stabilizing things (and you seemed to believe me) i became, and become, clearer all the time, that i didn’t jump off that cliff all by myself but was pushed.
(of course i am the idiot who put myself on that cliff in the stupid 1st place.)
you wandering around for long period of time–fakir! yes, of course. it is a normal reaction to having had a psychotic break, or breaks, (did you?) to want to just wander off. i totally get it. teacher x told me he did same thing after specific ej machinations on him and was brought back into e.j fold, requiring a plane trip from ????? by other ej-er who had to go and get him and bring him back because x could not get it together.
wandering off is all i wanted to do too.. sleeping on the side of the freeway, in the shrubbery and eating the discarded food, etc…seemed like a good safe place to be. away from people, it somehow seemed. strangely though, i was walked through a series of steps that culminated in me having BOUGHT the small used bookstore i had worked at for 7 years. how that happened in the zomboid state i was in, i have no idea. i just jumped through the hoops, like the trained seal i was. psyche in shreds but no one seemed able to tell, or care.
i have IMAGINED that through some occult act, the energy transfer that occurred–it somehow threw the used bookstore into the mix because the owner swore he would NEVER sell it to me and changed his mind 180 exactly as the sexcapades were bottoming out…and i’ve thought ever since that i here, am some front, or manchurian candidate for mr. evil and co. but that is the paranoia speaking. right?
hah. just back from a solo retreat in the desert to read your words about a meditation retreat. i’d probably be scared to death to meet you face to face–is that what you’re talking about?
and you are talking about the physical plane–right? because the other ones are way too scary for me still so…
after whatever initial weirdness, it would be great to meet you. right james? plan a retreat and maybe i can get away from the store.
or come over yonder and i’ll take you to where i just was in the desert. to be soaked by the rich dry heat, mineral hot springs and the freaking, crazy-assed, wilder than god, transcendence-inducing, desert sun.
sorry to be a snob but i do think better to be homeless on the west coast.
just kidding. love and laughter.
still-silly-after-all-these-years CAT
nemo said,
April 3, 2008 at 10:02 pm
This post requires some thought: your situation is complex and I am not quite adept at handling it. I think you overestimate my mystic mystique or whatever you consider that I exhude. In fact, I have long since dispensed with all issues of spiritual paths, finding the simple ordinary flow of things in history to be the ‘real’ path.
I need to reflect a bit on your case, and as to meeting me, in theory I see no problem, but in practice I am not a very sociable person. I have lived alone for decades with no friends or social relations, so the sudden prospect of ‘friendship’ seems eerie. I generally refer stray dogs to the pound, but in your case I see a definite potential if you can extricate yourself from New Age nonsense. I am suspicious you are some kind of screwup in the sexmagic field, in which case a visit would require a chaperone. Meeting me would be: Hello. End of visit as I proceed on my schedule and daily routine. Not worthy travelling thousands of miles.
I say that because we can dispense with formalities and the required agreements to share a expose of the exploitation of gurus. All that is far in my past, but we should warn the next generation on that score. So you should travel light here without New Age junk food. Perhaps it is youth. It takes time to see through the illusions thrown at yound adults by spiritual junk peddler.
more later…
nemo said,
April 5, 2008 at 3:41 pm
I comment on SK’s comment here:
http://darwiniana.com/2008/04/05/sufi-hyena-tactics-declare-victims-crazy/