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04.14.10

Leftist daydreaming: a 5th Internationale

Posted in 1848+, Ultra Far Left at 11:55 am by nemo

History of the Marxist Internationals (conclusion, the call for a Fifth International)

I think that the left should consider the absurdity of their position in light of the Tea Party movement. Idiocy still trumps the Leninist Third Internationale. The 4th is a Troykyist fiction. The first, and second, the real thing.

A new internationale has to be the FIRST of something new, something post-marxist, post-lenist, and post-stalinist. The idea for a 5th Internationale from Chavez means well, but I fear the ultimate mockery springs from the way that the populist strain has been captured by Mad Avenue style brainwashing to reduce radical impulses to nullity, visible in the Tea Party movement.

The left has to disown its past to recreate a future. No use being stubborn, the longer the left waits, the more absurd the radical impulse becomes as the right makes a joke out of it.

10 Comments »

  1. LMT said,

    April 14, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    The left is its own biggest enemy. The various (far) left groups are incapable of seeing anything wrong in their history, and usually haven’t read any real histories of the Russian revolution that aren’t propaganda.
    Even the most sympathetic student would have a hard time endorsing any of the current groups whose style is actually silent prejudice against critics of Stalinism.

  2. Jacob Richter said,

    April 14, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Post-Stalinist? Duh.

    Post-Leninist? Sure.

    Post-Marxist? Well, until left-Darwinists and other New Leftists come up with something that emphasizes class politics as much as the tradition from Marx to the Second International to modern “[Pre-Renegade] Kautsky Revivalism” did, thanks but no thanks.

  3. nemo said,

    April 15, 2010 at 6:25 am

    What you indicate would be easy to do, and is already accomplished.
    But I understand the fear that a new leftism would lose track of real issues.

    Keep in mind that Lenin was uninterested in class struggle and destroyed the real leftists for his own brand of dictatorship

  4. Jacob Richter said,

    April 15, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Lars Lih demolishes a lot of myths surrounding Lenin, including the kind of myths you repeated:

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6976/is_4_7/ai_n28430632/pg_9/?tag=content;col1

    The other side is that he has revealed a darker side (or at least blind spot) of European Social Democracy, to which Lenin himself belonged:

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6976/is_4_7/ai_n28430632/pg_8/?tag=content;col1

  5. nemo said,

    April 15, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    I haven’t repeated any myths about Lenin: my remarks are based on histories of the Russian Revolution. Such histories make clear who Lenin was, and what he did.

    But thanks for the links.

  6. LMT said,

    April 15, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/articles/2010-MarApr/full-Chang-MA-2010.html

    The Party’s Over: China’s Endgame
    Gordon G. Chang

    Share | On October 1 last year, China’s Communist Party celebrated the country’s National Day, marking the sixtieth anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic. As they did ten years before, senior leaders put on a military parade of immense proportions in their majestic capital of Beijing. Like the Olympic Games in 2008, the parade was a perfectly executed and magnificently staged spectacle, but instead of international fellowship, the theme was the power of China’s ruling organization and the rise of the Chinese nation.

    But did Beijing need two hundred thousand soldiers and school children to demonstrate its strength or ascendancy? The dominant narrative about China today is that it will, within a few short decades, become the preeminent power in the international system. Its economy, according to the conventional wisdom, was the first to recover from the global downturn and will eventually go on to become the world’s largest. Geopolitical dominance will inevitably follow.

    How did this notion of Chinese supremacy gain hold? The answer is nothing more profound than statistical extrapolation. China was destitute when Deng Xiaoping grabbed power in December 1978. Since then, the country has averaged, according to official statistics, a spectacular annual growth of 9.9 percent. This rate, if carried forward, gives China the world’s largest economy in a few decades—2027, to be exact, according to a now-famous Goldman Sachs estimate.

    So will ours be the Chinese century? Probably not. China has just about reached high tide, and will soon begin a long painful process of falling back. The most recent period of China’s fast growth began with Deng’s Southern Tour in early 1992, the event that signaled the restarting of reforms after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. Fortunately for the Communist Party of China, this event coincided with the beginning of an era wherein political barriers to trade were falling and globalization was kicking into high gear, which set the table for a period of tremendous wealth generation.

  7. Darwiniana » Leninist deadbeats said,

    April 15, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    [...] More on 5th Internationale [...]

  8. Jacob Richter said,

    April 16, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    “I haven’t repeated any myths about Lenin: my remarks are based on histories of the Russian Revolution. Such histories make clear who Lenin was, and what he did.”

    “Keep in mind that Lenin was uninterested in class struggle and destroyed the real leftists for his own brand of dictatorship”

    Not really. Lars Lih also stated that Lenin was too optimistic about worker education and abilities. That is why, upon the overthrow of the Constituent Assembly, the Bolsheviks let loose with land reform and especially worker control in the factories.

    They only tightened up when they found that, despite the increased worker control, the economy was still collapsing.

    On the political side, the counterrevolutionaries already made their moves a few days after November 7, and it was a czarist civil servants strike that led to the creation of the Cheka.

  9. Jacob Richter said,

    April 16, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8682919597603842499#

  10. nemo said,

    April 17, 2010 at 11:34 am

    You are convincing only to convinced Leninists who never read the histories of the events in question.
    You cannot call all such histories biased.
    The problem here is the way people in leftist groups filter out the simplest historical reality of the Bolshevik chronicle.

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