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May 26th, 2011 · No Comments

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Richard
207.138.47.153 Submitted on 2011/05/26 at 8:50 am
Star,

You’ve written one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever read. The suttas have to be read in context and you have to realize that the discourses are given to people who are at different stages of the path. Those at the beginning are spoken to in terms of personal narratives (you have to start somewhere!!!) and more advanced practitioners are give instructions of a more phenomenological, stripped-down nature.

“That they believe this doesn’t make it true that the Buddha did. ”

If we’re not going to take the earliest scriptures as a reasonable account of what the Buddha taught, then what is really the point of Buddhism? Is every practitioner supposed to follow their own predilections in creating their own Buddhism. I think postmodernism (in addition to scientism) is really inducing a lot of stupidity in people.

“…it rests on mistranslating and misunderstanding MN 117, in which the Buddha says that the “tainted right view” that includes belief in the efficacy of karma keeps one generating the aggregates of clinging”

Pure bullsh*t.

In that discourse, the point is that those whose minds aren’t yet enlightened are still stuck in the samsaric system. Only those who have reached the the transcendent level have transcended karma. Don’t flatter yourself…you’re not anywhere near that level.

“And what is right view? Right view, I tell you, is of two sorts: There is right view with effluents [asava], siding with merit, resulting in the acquisitions [of becoming]; and there is noble right view, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.

“”And what is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit, & results in acquisitions? ‘There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the next world. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are priests & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.’ This is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit, & results in acquisitions.

“And what is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The discernment, the faculty of discernment, the strength of discernment, analysis of qualities as a factor for Awakening, the path factor of right view of one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is free from effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.”

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.117.than.html

Star,

You’ve written one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever read. The suttas have to be read in context and you have to realize that the discourses are given to people who are at different stages of the path. Those at the beginning are spoken to in terms of personal narratives (you have to start somewhere!!!) and more advanced practitioners are give instructions of a more phenomenological, stripped-down nature.

“That they believe this doesn’t make it true that the Buddha did. ”

If we’re not going to take the earliest scriptures as a reasonable account of what the Buddha taught, then what is really the point of Buddhism? Is every practitioner supposed to follow their own predilections in creating their own Buddhism. I think postmodernism (in addition to scientism) is really inducing a lot of stupidity in people.

“…it rests on mistranslating and misunderstanding MN 117, in which the Buddha says that the “tainted right view” that includes belief in the efficacy of karma keeps one generating the aggregates of clinging”

Pure bullsh*t.

In that discourse, the point is that those whose minds aren’t yet enlightened are still stuck in the samsaric system. Only those who have reached the the transcendent level have transcended karma. Don’t flatter yourself…you’re not anywhere near that level.

“And what is right view? Right view, I tell you, is of two sorts: There is right view with effluents [asava], siding with merit, resulting in the acquisitions [of becoming]; and there is noble right view, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.

“”And what is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit, & results in acquisitions? ‘There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the next world. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are priests & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.’ This is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit, & results in acquisitions.

“And what is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The discernment, the faculty of discernment, the strength of discernment, analysis of qualities as a factor for Awakening, the path factor of right view of one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is free from effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.”

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.117.than.html
Richard

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